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[SPEAKER_14]: Summer isn’t just a season, it’s a feeling.

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[SPEAKER_14]: Zip lighting through a rain forest in Maui.

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[SPEAKER_14]: Mountain biking in Sedona.

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[SPEAKER_14]: And of course, driving off in a new Lexus during the cold and opportunity sales event.

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[SPEAKER_14]: It offers on select luxury SUVs now through September 2nd, because the greatest measure of an automobile is how it makes you feel.

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[SPEAKER_14]: Experience amazing at your Lexus dealer.

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[SPEAKER_12]: Just one bite of the deliciously comforting flavor of easy-cooked and accurate smoked sausage is enough to take you all the way home.

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[SPEAKER_12]: It’s naturally hardwood smoke taste sends you away to those summer days with data to grill.

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[SPEAKER_12]: Take a bite and see for yourself, accurate.

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[SPEAKER_12]: Michael Mera, radio entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hicks, nicks, sticks, picks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A podcast about Rob’s movies with your hosts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rob’s UAC and Josh Sroka.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, ladies and gentlemen, let the show begin.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Thank you, AI guy, and it feels good to be back in Black and White, Josh.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I was uncomfortable last week, being in full color.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I prefer the color, but the black and white works.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s kind of our thing, and welcome everybody to Hicks Nick Sticks, Picks, a service of the Michael Marisho.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe, you know, if we move out of these like, once we finish, for like the 1930s, 40s movies, yeah, maybe we’ll change the color of our logo, kind of brighten it up.

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[SPEAKER_16]: You know, we don’t have any sort of, you know, no orderation.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So yeah, maybe, but for now, let’s just go with black and white movies, black and white.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If we get into like in all 80s movies, then we can go with some of the, or something.

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[SPEAKER_16]: and I’ll make, I’ll have a big hair.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I will go ahead and get big hair and a swatch and I can wear my vans.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’ll be a great 80 show.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But before we move on to today’s program and I hope everyone watched the movie that we recommended last week, remember last week we were talking about the natural.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And I got this wonderful letter.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, and here’s, never, never too shy.

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[SPEAKER_13]: Matters, oh, we get letters.

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[SPEAKER_13]: We get your letters every day.

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[SPEAKER_13]: Any chance.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And I hope you’re sending a long and home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You better find out what you’ve got to say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh boy!

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[SPEAKER_16]: Mailman!

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[SPEAKER_16]: So this is a letter about the natural that I got and I’ll just take it from the top here because it’s fascinating.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Dear guys, I guess that’s us.

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[SPEAKER_16]: We’ll be the guys.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Hope all is well.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I am a big fan of the shoe of you and the show and I live in Buffalo.

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[SPEAKER_16]: My life hasn’t been too great the past year and I’ve been out of work since March, but you, my Josh have kept me sane while dealing with a lot of the crap in the past year.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Well, that’s the nicest thing you can say.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_16]: A comment you made during the natural last week literally made me spit out my drink.

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[SPEAKER_16]: You were looking at a clip and you said, I could have been the bat boy.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I do too that I could have been the bad boy.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Well, this guy says my claim to fame is that I was supposed to be the bad boy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but on he’s supposed to be the bad boy in the natural.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is great in the summer.

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[SPEAKER_16]: In the summer of my freshman year of high school, the natural, which was filmed in Buffalo.

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[SPEAKER_16]: We knew this was casting for the bad boy.

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[SPEAKER_16]: My mother sent a picture to the casting director and I got called in to read for the park.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I read for the casting director and after a short wait, she said that director Barry Levinson would like to meet me.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And so on the way to the office, I even passed Robert Redford, who greeted me with a great big hello, spoke to Mr. Levinson for a while and he really liked me.

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[SPEAKER_16]: He even wanted me to go and meet Robert Redford properly.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So it sounds like he’s got this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he’s got it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So it up.

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[SPEAKER_16]: While I was waiting to meet Bob Redford, someone else on the crew, interrupted Mr. Levinson, and said that there was another kid here for the Batboy role, and he was told to come down after being spotted at a Polish market on the east side of Buffalo.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, Barry was pretty perturbed, but finally said the other kid could come in, so we both read for the part with a director.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Well, I read for the part.

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[SPEAKER_16]: The other kid could hardly read.

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[SPEAKER_16]: We both left and a couple of days later, I was heartbroken to find out the other kid got the part.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, so all based on looks.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I guess, but the fact that he can’t read, well, you know, he wasn’t much of a talker in the movie either.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But here’s this is the great part because I think we discussed last week how much we love the character of the bad boy.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, you know, great character and well done this letter continues.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I later learned that the bad boy caused so much tension on the set that readford almost took a swing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he had a head about the size of a basketball.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I never got another chance at acting, but telling this story makes me so happy many decades later.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Life isn’t always easy, but I appreciate the entertainment you provide.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Sincerely, Dave Chick.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I can’t imagine the guy that played in that way, making Redford take a swing at him.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But, you know, if you’re totally not into the whole motion picture system and you can’t read, maybe it was tough.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Right, but I don’t know your lines.

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[SPEAKER_05]: it speaks well to the director though and that it comes off so well yeah and that listeners got the perfect like to that game of two lies and a truth yeah exactly try to guess which outrageous thing is true that’s the perfect story for that

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[SPEAKER_16]: We’re keeping a little later today than I wanted to because I was down at the Polish market hoping to be discovered for a little kid.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, no, I want to be the kid.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I want to be in it But that’s not what we’re doing today because today we take on a movie from 1933 Duck soup and I know Josh has never seen it one of my favorites.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s a paramount picture It runs only 69 minutes which you had to appreciate

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_16]: That’s it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It stars Groucho Harpo Chico and Zepo Marks with Margaret Dumont, Louis Calhurn and Edgar Kennedy directed by a very notable director, Leo McCary, who did going my way, the awful truth and a fair to remember, and it was written by…

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[SPEAKER_16]: Probably the Marks Brothers’ best writers, Bert Colmar, Harry Ruby, Nat Perrin, and Arthur Sheekman, Gratcher’s State in touch with all of them throughout his entire life.

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[SPEAKER_16]: He loved their work.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now, before we start, I have to address one thing.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Chico Marks

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[SPEAKER_16]: his name should be pronounced chico that’s how they did it but I my entire life have called him chico which I guess is what the Spanish pronunciation I have no problem with that okay so know this folks it’s just me being me doing I call him that I’m not ignorant of what you should call him but that’s how we’re gonna go.

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[SPEAKER_05]: and I’ll tell you I invited Kelly to watch this movie with me and and she said I don’t think we can watch this movie anymore and I said why why and she said well isn’t that who created Marxism?

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[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I said, I don’t know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You’ve got the long mark mark.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that’s been worth it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That doesn’t do with that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: No, that’s not worth it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then she still said no because it was a rob movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And it was black and white, but just a quick plot summation, really not as much going on here as in the natural.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So this won’t take as long.

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[SPEAKER_16]: A fictional country named Fredonia is in financial crisis.

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[SPEAKER_16]: They’ve borrowed a lot of money from a rich dowager named Mrs. T’s Dale.

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[SPEAKER_16]: She says she’ll only lend them more money.

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[SPEAKER_16]: as the leader of Fredonia.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Rufus Firefly is played by Grautro Marks.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s never explained why she loves him as a leader or what he has to do with him or exactly.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And it doesn’t seem like they know each other that well because once he meets her, he starts hitting on her.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So there’s a welcome reception for ambassador.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m sorry.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There’s a welcome reception for Rufus T. Fireplay, and that’s where we meet Ambassador Torrentino from the neighboring country of Sylvania.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And he is set on marrying Mrs. T’s Dale.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So he and Liz a famous Fredonian dancer, Vera Markell, to seduce Firefly, clearing the way for him to woo Mrs. T’s Dale.

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[SPEAKER_16]: uh… then we also need a groucher secretary or sorry firefly secretary bob rolin played by zepo marks and uh… he says firefly is never late and they do a whole production number about the fact that he’s never late and then he’s late uh… this is him arriving at his own reception and it’s some of grouchers greatest greatest work as to one of the reception committee i extend the good wishes of every man woman child of redone and my best i’ll take a card

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[SPEAKER_03]: Car, I’ll leave you with the car.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You can keep it, I’ve got 51 left.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I’ll be using as chairwoman of the reception committee.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I will come you with hope and all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Is that so?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I’ll let you stay open.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I’ve sponsored you on appointment because I think you do all the most able statesman and all afraid don’t you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that covers a lot of ground.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Say you cover a lot of ground yourself.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You better be today.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You’re going to tell you, Donald, put up an office building way of standing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You can leave an attack, see?

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you can’t get attacked, see?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You can leave in a hop.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If that’s too soon, you can leave in a minute and a half.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know you haven’t stopped talking since I came here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You must have been vaccinated with a photograph needle.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now in the old days, a phonograph needle was something that you know you used to play a rap.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Just so you know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don’t think so.

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[SPEAKER_05]: In that shot, he multiple times looks down at the floor.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I never noticed that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Okay, that could very well be because it’s down.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There’s a lot of words there.

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[SPEAKER_16]: You have to admit.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So let’s see.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you’re excellency.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty expecting you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: As Chair, woman of the Reception Committee, I extend the good wishes of every man, woman and child, if we don’t yet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Never mind this, don’t take a card.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I’m still planning.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You can keep it, I’ve got 51 left.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now I’ll be using.

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[SPEAKER_03]: As Chair, woman of the Reception Committee, I welcome you with hope and all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Is that so?

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[SPEAKER_04]: How late do you stay open?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I’ve sponsored you on appointment, because I feel you are the most able statesman in all three down here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that covers a lot of ground.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That’s one ground.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that’s a whole time looking better, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they’re going to tell you now and put up an office building where you’re standing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Another time looking down.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you can’t get a taxi, you can leave in a hub.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If that’s too soon, you can leave in a minute in a hub.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you haven’t stopped talking since I came here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You must have been vaccinated with a pornograph needle.

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[SPEAKER_16]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_16]: That’s the end of the game.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, but I don’t think it plays badly because his delivery is so fast and I think he’s just trying to keep the order if he is really bad.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was just trying to figure out why he kept looking down.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then when it was faster paste, he kept his head down.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I’ll say in it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it’s, I think he probably, if it was written down, it was just to get the insults in the right order, because obviously, he knew them the way they came trippingly off his tongue.

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[SPEAKER_16]: We go to this whole meeting.

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[SPEAKER_16]: We learn the laws of his administration.

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[SPEAKER_16]: He’s not a great leader.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But apparently, that’s what the old dowager wants to run for Donia.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And so meanwhile, we find out in Silvania.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Tarantino has tried a revolution, but it’s failed.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So he hires two spies to watch after and get some dirt on a Rufus T. Firefly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We fully have got it there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Gentlemen!

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[SPEAKER_04]: Gentlemen, what is this?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It’s a spy stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Telegram for you sir

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[SPEAKER_04]: he gets mad because he can’t read.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I see.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, that they’re working for the the opposing country at this point.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And Pinkie is my favorite character.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He’s great, isn’t it?

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[SPEAKER_05]: In the movie.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It’s so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_05]: One that does not speak.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, is that why he’s your favorite because he’s not speaking?

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I think he, I think he does a good job with the, uh, with quantum camera and the pantomime and

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[SPEAKER_05]: It adds the comedy without just a lot of words.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, well, I want to ask you about the characterizations of the brothers later, but so Chickalini, who is in that, goes undercover.

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[SPEAKER_16]: We had just seen Firefly in a meeting with the Chamber of Deputies and its ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_16]: He’s playing Jacks.

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[SPEAKER_16]: He’s insulting everyone.

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[SPEAKER_16]: All the deputies quit.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And he hires Chickalini, who is spying on him by running a peanut cart as the

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[SPEAKER_16]: And then Pinkie comes in, and in it’s basically a dog comes out of his chest and barks, which I think is one of the most unexpected gags in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And it doesn’t really make any sense for any reason other than the fact that it’s a surprise.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Or that’s a lot of this, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I suppose.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I suppose.

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[SPEAKER_16]: They find out that Tarantino is trying to undermine the entire country.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So the idea is that Firefly will get him to insult him, and then he will insult the ambassador and then the ambassador will slap Firefly and he can kick him out of the country, but of course it goes the other way and Firefly slaps the ambassador and they’re headed right off to war.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now, we introduce a character that is really sort of tangential to the whole plot, but I love it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Is Pinky has taken over the peanut vending wagon, and they’re adjacent to a guy selling lemonade.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now, the lemonade salesman is a guy who’s in a million funny movies.

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[SPEAKER_16]: His name is Edgar Kennedy, and what he did was he was master of what was called the slow burn.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And to that is a slow build-up of just totally losing your mind in anger.

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[SPEAKER_16]: That was kind of like his trademark, and he’s really good in this movie, especially when Harper Owens up dipping his feet in the lemonade for the ultimate revenge.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There’s also a great routine with the hats, but they’re just head to head and bumping heads all time, which has nothing to do with the plot.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Ms.

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[SPEAKER_16]: T’sdale tries to broker a deal for peace, firefly refuses again, so she says, I’m going to keep the plans of war at my house until we go to war.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now, also in the house, at this point, all three Marks Brothers are in the house, and they all end up dressed as Groucho.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And this results, this confusion results in them doing the world famous mirror scene.

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[SPEAKER_16]: where they look just alike because you know in real life they are brothers.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So once they put on the makeup and the glasses and the hat, it is almost indistinguishable.

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[SPEAKER_16]: We’ll discuss the mirror scene.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Chickalena gets caught.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s put on trial.

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[SPEAKER_16]: They do a huge 1930s style musical number that doesn’t have a trace of serienance to it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s called to war.

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[SPEAKER_16]: and it’s a massive music routine.

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[SPEAKER_16]: They go to war, firefly continues to command and change uniforms all through the war.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It looks bad, so they escaped a Mrs. T. Mrs. T. Dail’s home, and luckily they’re able to capture for Tarantino, the war ends, hail hail, Fredonia.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So that’s, I mean, it’s,

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[SPEAKER_05]: not a lot of plot to sustain a 70 minute movie right but i want to know your first take of the movie well we’ll get we’ll get to the plot when we talk about some of the problems anything okay was there anything you liked about them yeah there was okay six and minutes okay the shot I liked that I like a short movie um i liked as i mentioned i liked pinky

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[SPEAKER_05]: Which means my favorite scene in the whole movie was the lemonade stand fight.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Is it that’s great pinky and it’s great Yeah, I love there the interplay with them and Edgar Kennedy because it’s a two-on-one and He’s bigger than them and he’s a mean guy and they just keep up with him The scene with the hats that where it ends up with his hat literally being on fire

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[SPEAKER_16]: makes me laugh every time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, and the, and the, and the horn and filling it up with lemonade and the sport McGuy.

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[SPEAKER_16]: That’s exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it’s great.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That’s so great.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The other thing I liked about this movie is the way it uses silence.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There are a moment on this where I thought, wait, did my speakers go out?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Did something something’s not working?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because your movies today have zero silence.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You’re right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We’re even taught with the podcast and radio, like you can’t have silence.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Silence is bad.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Tell it up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Tell it up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And this would be, let things play with your eyes only.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Which I thought is good.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Um, did you feel and I really watched it because I have the blue ray, of course, but as I really really watched it on the big screen with the blue ray, the backgrounds and the way the movie looks, it’s not an excessively big budget picture, but it looks like a big budget picture.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There’s lots of extras, the sets are pretty or Nate, and there’s a lot of stuff to look around.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s a beautiful film.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But it looks like a stage that where it’s like, here’s a scene and the cameras are just focused here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was thrown off a little bit by the, um,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Was it paramount?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it released it because the paramount, they put a color beautiful paramount logo at the very beginning of the movie.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, this is gonna be color.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was just not.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then it rolled into this old black and white.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So it okay, he’s me a little bit there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I also,

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[SPEAKER_05]: My big takeaway from this movie is watching this movie is understanding why people like you and older people and comedians love this movie because this is basically the foundation for what became the neck at gun, got shots, these satire shows, where it got the feel of instead of build up to one big joke, we’re gonna throw 100 jokes at you a minute and some of them will land someone up.

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[SPEAKER_16]: do you have you ever seen a movie that was so dense with comedy.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And again, you said is that it doesn’t all land, but you don’t go 10 seconds without something.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Go into something and even that silence.

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[SPEAKER_05]: there’s something comedic going on visually.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s really kind of remarkable the speed of it and the anarchy of it that it goes on and the anarchy is sort of offset.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Obviously is an anti-government piece, although the claimant wasn’t.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Mussolini had the movie band in Italy because he thought it was a direct insult to him and his government.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It wasn’t, but when the Marx Brothers found that out, they were delighted.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It is very pointed about government.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There was even a subplot that was taken out where Groucho or Rufus T. Firefly was a munitions dealer and was going to make money profiteering off the war.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I guess that’s a little too close to real life to be funny.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But the whole foundation, the whole foundation in the whole movie is that money buys politics and then if money you can get whatever you want in politics, which is that’s classic

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[SPEAKER_16]: And you can see that, you know, when the ambassador is after Mrs. T’s Dale, he wants to gain power of the country.

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[SPEAKER_16]: The only reason Groucho is sticking around for Mrs. T’s Dale is he wants her money.

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[SPEAKER_16]: He wants that money.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And it’s very important to him to get it right.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There is a strong financial motivation behind the whole movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Did you find the satire?

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m curious.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I know you have more to say, but did you find the satire

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[SPEAKER_16]: really does sort of stand up because of the anti-government notion and the the inherit brokenness of politics.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It didn’t it didn’t feel anti-government to me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It felt just this is all silly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah to me and and government is silly and now as we’re recording this and we’ve got the whole government shut down thing it just speaks more to silliness of like every politician trying to take a stand.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You can come back to that scene where the guy was like I’ve got new business and then suddenly it’s all business.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And it’s like, just that type of thing where it’s like just control and silliness.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But that is, I do feel that is a comment to, you know, government regulations and red tape.

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[SPEAKER_16]: You know, they can’t even get through a meeting without, you have to take up the tax before you take up the carpet.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_16]: They bring up things that don’t even make sense, but they’re all on the, you know, they’re all part of his day.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It is, it is a, it is a significantly silly movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: it was not a big hit at the time.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It didn’t lose money, but it wasn’t a massive hit as many of the Mark’s movies movies were.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, now as we’re talking about good things, we talked about the lemonade scene and how my internet was.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I love the idea of a peanut vendor as you’re way to interact with the the ruler.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because I could totally see that work in nowadays.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I could see a McDonald’s truck pulling up and tossing big Mac’s over the fence to to Donald.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I, you know what, it was reminiscent to me.

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[SPEAKER_16]: What was the show with Kevin Spacey where he was president?

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[SPEAKER_16]: House of cards.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And even when things were, you know, he was being president, he would still go to his barbecue guy and talk to him.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And yeah, it’s nice to have the ultimate supreme ruler in a land, have someone like that to sort of talk this is my connection to the common folk.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, and he comes secretary of war.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Which I guess we have now again.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, but the other scene that we haven’t talked about yet that we have to talk about in this good section is the mirror scene because that has been copied in almost every comedy that’s used over and over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s amazing.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It was actually thought of by Leo McCarray, the director.

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[SPEAKER_16]: They did not create it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And what’s funny is that you mentioned how they use silence in the movie, which is great.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Because it also, when they use silence, it makes the rapid fire dialogue sort of pop a little more because it gives your ears a rest.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But this was the mirror routine was taken from a silent movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I think it was Harold Lloyd.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Don’t get mad if I’m wrong.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But

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[SPEAKER_16]: They decided the director said let’s do the mirror routine in here, and they shot that in only two hours.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, they just went in and did it, and the precision of them pretending to do each other, and spoiler alert, there’s a couple gags in it that are so totally unexpected.

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[SPEAKER_16]: when he spins, but the mirror reflection doesn’t spin and it still holds up the switching of the hats and that is so funny.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And it is a great device to get all three Mark’s brothers in one scene and the capture of Chickalini.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now, you, you, Haribo even re-did the mirror scene with Lucy in an episode of I Love Lucy some years later.

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[SPEAKER_16]: When you watched it, were you

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[SPEAKER_05]: what was your take on it because when i watch it it’s amazing to me because it is so precise yeah for me it it was precise it’s fine it’s also for me i’m looking at it with different lenses where this is new to me but i’ve seen so many things that copy it so i think straight to scuby do because yes that type of routine and scuby do all the time and i know what the inspiration was from these marks brothers

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, now I have to ask, well, do you have any other moments that you want to cite that you really know?

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[SPEAKER_05]: The lemonade and the mirror scenes are the best scenes in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Okay, I would agree with the mirror scene.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I kind of like this scene with the board, where he’s, you know, the Secretary of Wars out of order, which reminds me, so is the plumbing.

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[SPEAKER_16]: In 1990, it was added this movie to the National Film Registry by the Library of Congress.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It was ranked number five by the AFI in 2000 as the 100 funniest movies in America.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So the fifth funniest movie in America, according to the AFI.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And in 2007, the American Film Institute again ranked this as the number 60th greatest movie of all time.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So that being said, and before we get to the stuff we don’t like about it or stuff you don’t like about it, I do have a question for you as sort of like groundwork going into this, leaving out the Marxism comment from your wife.

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[SPEAKER_16]: What did you know about the Marx Brothers?

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[SPEAKER_16]: If anything.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Nothing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Black and white movies.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Not much.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Okay, so you never caught it under the rerout.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Never saw anything.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is first time seeing anything with the Marks Brothers.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I knew who they were.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I know, you know, Groucho for the mustache.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Did you ever watch his quiz show?

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[SPEAKER_16]: You bet your life later on when he was okay.

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[SPEAKER_16]: No.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So this was really

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[SPEAKER_16]: sort of a brand new experience for you.

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[SPEAKER_16]: How did you feel with, okay, you’ve already said you like a pinky and Harpo being silent, playing totally in pantomime.

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[SPEAKER_16]: They all have their characterizations.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Gracho as sort of the motormouth, rude comic that talks to the camera, which was, yeah, totally unheard of back then.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Gracho, I struggled to figure out the mustache.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Okay, the story behind it is that he wore a grease paint mustache for many years.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And then went to a more realistic fake mustache.

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[SPEAKER_16]: This is when they were on stage one day he arrived late to the show.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Didn’t have time to put on the realistic fake mustache.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So just put some grease paint on his lip and he said, the laughs were the same.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Why am I wasting my time?

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[SPEAKER_16]: So it is a throwback to old theater involved.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Must that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: well maybe he can’t you know maybe so it could be but okay so you weren’t thrown by him talking to the camera that’s common anymore no probably because it’s common yeah yeah um how about cheeko in his Italian accident which really doesn’t fit in anywhere I mean I didn’t even notice it honestly

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[SPEAKER_16]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_16]: Okay, good.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it goes back to when ethnic stereotypes play well in Vaudeville, and that’s where he got that from.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, and all the characters here were odd.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So to have a different accent, it just fit to meeting the movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m glad.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now, did you even notice the character of Bob Roland as the fourth Mark’s brother?

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[SPEAKER_16]: That’s Zepo Mark’s.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I got your secretary.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn’t know that were four Mark’s brothers.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, this was Zepo’s last movie as one of the brothers, because as he said he was sick of being called the unfunny one, this movie really underscores the fact that he wasn’t funny, because he’s so minimized in it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: The weird thing is in real life, they say he was the funniest of the brothers.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I still can’t believe that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But when he retired from making movies, he virtually invented the position of the Hollywood agent.

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[SPEAKER_16]: and made a lot of money, so any of the new agencies that exist now, that the agent notion didn’t really exist until the mid-30s, and he was one of the first to do.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So he did, he did okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, Mark Zucker.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That was at least the smartest of the brothers.

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[SPEAKER_16]: yeah i do believe he is the smartest of the brothers uh let’s take a short break here and we come back we’ll discuss the problems with the movie and some questions i have for Josh uh despite my uh cluttered summation of a movie that really didn’t need a big plot summary i think we’re going we’re doing great and i want to thank everyone for listening we’ll be right back

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[SPEAKER_16]: All right, we are back on Hick’s Nick sticks picks and this I knew would be an ask of you because this is a really old movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: This is 1933.

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[SPEAKER_16]: This is pre-code.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So they could even get away with some naughty gags that existed in the early 30s before Hollywood sort of cracked down.

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[SPEAKER_16]: What was your feeling going into it, Josh?

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[SPEAKER_16]: Because it is.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s nearly a hundred years old.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It really is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was a movie that I didn’t mind that you picked it because I would never watch this movie.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And honestly, if I was a listener, I might not have watched either, but I’d be interested in listening to this conversation to learn more about it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because everything I know about DuckSoup is from the Michael Marishow or Donna Mike references.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And even then, those are sparse.

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[SPEAKER_16]: We don’t go to that often.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I do think it is their funniest movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I don’t think it’s their best movie, and I’ll explain why.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But the whole deal of the fact that it is

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[SPEAKER_16]: just gags, funny, funny, funny, one after another.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There’s usually piano solo by Chico.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There’s normally a harp solo by Harpo.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There’s normally a romantic subplot in a Mark’s Brothers movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: All of that is gone and all we have is anarchy.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And that’s why they say it was probably ill-received.

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[SPEAKER_16]: at the time of release, because we’re in the throes of the depression.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And America, this was too much.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It was too much anarchy, too much silliness.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There’s no reality in it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There’s some storyality in it, which is odd for the time.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And it’s come to be regarded as probably their funniest movies.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So going in that being said, the fact that it wasn’t a huge hit when it was released that had sort of a reticence later on, what were the problems you had with the film?

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[SPEAKER_05]: This plot is so thin.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It is paper.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There’s nothing go even the end.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They arrest one guy or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Get take care of one guy, but the war’s still going on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, they did it in the war.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But they said by capturing the ambassador.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I don’t know.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I don’t know.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I don’t know the rules of war, but he was captured by them and he surrendered.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So maybe that’s the end of the war, but it is.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not going to defend the plot.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now let’s

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, the plot is so thin.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It’s just gag, gag, gag, gag, gag, which again, I get as the, and I see it as a foundation for so many, so many other movies.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And this one, I have to ask you, though, do you think it was well done with the saturation of gigs?

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I think it was good.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I did like that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Good fast pace.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Especially that scene you played earlier with, uh, with Groucho, when he first meets the lady.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then it’s okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You tricked me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: How?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I knew it was black and white.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I did not know it was a musical.

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[SPEAKER_16]: there were multiple music there are three musical numbers I believe in it um now the to war number is in there as a parody of the way they did musicals at that time that’s a very sadly at that time that was a current comment and satire of Hollywood with the big over the top musical and the what seemed like thousands of extras the other two uh these are the rules of my administration that you were just talking about

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[SPEAKER_16]: That is a musical number, but it’s full of jokes.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So I don’t really count that as a musical.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I get some musical.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Okay, so there are a couple songs in it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I’m shocked that the clock strikes 10.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You have a full yet for some type of bit by the way, a bit.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Well, you know, the day is young, we shall see, but yeah, it was, it was a sharp satire of things going on then.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I didn’t mean to trick you with the musicality.

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[SPEAKER_05]: My apologies.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn’t see it coming and just this close to Yankee Doodle, I still have not moved on from that, but I, again, this is one where it was fun because I saw it as a foundation for every comedy that I’ve seen in my life.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Cool, I appreciate the fact that you, you show it some value there.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I don’t know, it’s not my favorite Mark’s Brothers movie, but it is, I think, all told beginning to end the funniest movie if that, that seems contradictory, but I don’t know if it is or not.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I totally see this movie playing better when you look back than at the times.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I can totally see going into the theater and seeing this and be like, well, this is stupid, there’s no plot, this is going on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But then I can see looking back at all the inspiration and looking back and be like, oh, this is of their best movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: When we talk about the fact that there was no subplot, no musicals, and stuff like that, no dedicated serious musical numbers, what happened is when this was over Paramount and the Marks Brothers were very much at odds, and the Marks Brothers were threatening to go and start their own production company.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So this picture was done sort of haphazardly to satisfy their five picture deal, and then they quit Paramount.

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[SPEAKER_16]: They were going to form their own company.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now this is really in the weeds, Hollywood-wise, but it’s a good story.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Is that they were courted by Metro Golden Mayor, MGM, which was the biggest and most powerful studio at the time, and their director of production, I believe, was his title.

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[SPEAKER_16]: His name was Irving Thalburg.

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[SPEAKER_16]: he died young but everything he touched turned to gold he had like a golden boy reputation in Hollywood and he loved the Marx brothers and he brought them over and he said the reason that duc soup didn’t hit is it’s all you there’s nothing for the ladies there’s nothing for people that want romance and there’s no music so the next movie they did a night at the opera

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[SPEAKER_16]: beautifully made film.

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[SPEAKER_16]: The dialogue is just as funny, but there is a romantic subplot.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There is a harp solo.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There is a piano thing in there.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And true Mark’s Brothers fans are annoyed by that, because it takes away from the anarchy of it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But in fact, it’s just making it more sailable.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It makes a better film on my overall.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, look at that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now, Thorberg was funny because he was such an important guy in Hollywood that he would schedule meetings and then just ignore them.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And the Marks Brothers didn’t like that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And this is a true story.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’ve shared, I’ve seen it sighted several places.

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[SPEAKER_16]: They called Thorberg called the Marks Brothers in for a meeting and they sat him in his office and he didn’t show up for like two hours and they were livid, but they needed to take the meetings and get the job.

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[SPEAKER_16]: They called down to the commissary

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[SPEAKER_16]: And when Thalberg finally came to the office, the Marx brothers had stripped down to their underwear, built a fire and his fireplace in the office, and were roasting potatoes.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Just because they wanted to say, you know what, you can’t play us like this, we’re just gonna make ourselves at home.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So this movie represents sort of a high point in their comedic career, if not their financial career.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But I always like the fact that Irving Thalberg,

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[SPEAKER_16]: saw the magic of the markspudders and was able to make it more scalable and you know let the motion pictures continue like that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah to the other movies I guess you say they have more structure.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I know organization because this felt like skit after skit after skit.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Very little even transition on how do we get from here to here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah it was very much work this room now we’re in this room.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Much more plot driven, especially the movies that came after this, but also know that they were essentially sketch comics that came out of Vaudeville to do it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And one other thing that Thalberg did, I didn’t even think to mention this, but I will now, is

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[SPEAKER_16]: he wanted the routines and you know there’s set pieces set routines like for example in this one the mirror routine that can stand on their own.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But Thalberg wanted the timing to be so precise what he would do is he would send the march brothers out to theaters to do those set pieces.

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[SPEAKER_16]: to get the timing right and know how long to pause for laughs in a movie because they were judging it from the laughs in a live setting.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So in a movie it’s hard to gauge what the eggs are going to hit and what aren’t.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So they would go actually on the road to test out their material, which is brilliant.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I really do think it’s smart and that’s one of the reasons why I think the pacing in their routines works so well even to this day.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I think that makes a lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And you still see, again, I can see references to movies for all these, especially those scenes like the lemonade and the mirror.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, the cabinet mean, sure.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Just for curiosity, I have to ask, do you know what duck soup means?

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[SPEAKER_16]: If it doesn’t mean, you know, soup made out of a duck.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I have no idea what duck soup means.

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[SPEAKER_16]: in the 1930s it was slang for something that was easy to do like that’s easy that’s a piece of cake that’s duck soup okay that’s that did not last but it’s funny because that would mean something to people that saw the movie then but doesn’t mean anything now nothing now to random I do love this quote from Groucho they asked him about the movie’s title he said uh take two turkeys one goose four cabbages and make them together and after one taste you’ll duck soup for the rest of your life

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[SPEAKER_16]: Maybe he looked at the floor.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I read it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don’t know.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Now, one thing that you said before we recorded, that I took his flattery, but also very funny, you said, I can see Rob, why you like this movie.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think I said that on this episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I can totally see why you like it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why, um, order comics will reference this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think I’ve seen Steve Martin talk about this movie.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, um, I think watching these movies, I’ve gotten way back into, uh, only murders in the past

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[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And one of the reasons is that he has got the vocal precision to pull off gags like this, but there’s also a lot of physical comedy in this, even under Pinky is all about physical comedy.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But even Groucho takes and his reactions, they’re very physical in the final war scene when he spends time with the jug on his head is funny.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Were you, well, when Ever Groucho is on screen, he cannot stay still.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he is moving the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And I think that comes from his stage experience, early Hollywood directors hated the Mark’s Brothers because sound was really hard to do then and they would they’d move around and that was like impossible for them to handle.

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[SPEAKER_16]: The one gag that always gets me and I’m curious of it you found it funny or hackneyed because it’s been used before is when they are in Mrs. T’sdale’s cottage I guess at the towards the end and they’re at war and he calls for help

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[SPEAKER_16]: And they go to a montage of everyone running to their health.

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[SPEAKER_16]: There’s people rowing boats, there’s monkeys, there’s elephants, there’s people on motorcycles.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Did you like that gag?

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[SPEAKER_16]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think I warned down by that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I understand.

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[SPEAKER_16]: The movie can be weering.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was, it moves really fast for a small amount of, I enjoyed the motorcycle.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I enjoyed the motorcycle take off with that side car.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then later the side car leaving without the motorcycle, I enjoyed that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Did you see it coming?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I did that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That’s great.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I did not see it coming.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I one time I was thinking about we had a hypnotist on the show and I think of most of that as all bunk, but you know he was he said I can make people quit smoking, I can do this.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And I thought how cool it would be to have a hypnotist have me forget that I’d ever seen the Marks Brothers movies to watch them again for the first time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That’s a good bit.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You think, did you ask him to do that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, I didn’t, because I didn’t like the idea of picking out a movie that you love and telling a hypnotist make me never remember this movie and every time I walked it think it’s the first time ever.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Wouldn’t that be awesome?

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[SPEAKER_05]: It’d be great.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So that is something that I would love to do.

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[SPEAKER_16]: This movie is one of a handful that I could probably recite to you because I’ve seen it that many times.

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[SPEAKER_16]: like channel two in Baltimore when I was a kid on beta.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And I watched it so many times off the beta tape that I can still tell you where the commercial breaks were when I watched the movie on disk.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s a, this movie is really important to me.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Groucho is really important to me.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So I have to ask.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I could mock the commercial breaks.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The scene changes in here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that’s true.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s very segmented.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Do you feel that this is what?

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[SPEAKER_16]: Well, I know what I would rate it, but I have to ask you how many firecrackers they had at the end of the movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: How many firecrackers out of 10 do you give this movie?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I am going to give this eighth.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I’m going to give this a seven.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, that is very strong for you and that is all because I see the references and I see the inspiration.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I will never watch it again, but I think it’s worth given up 69 minutes to watch this sometime.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It is, you know what, and that’s, I’m very pleased with that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I of course have to give it 10.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m sorry.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Even based on the wicked plot point that’s never explained why during the war, pinky and chicolini just suddenly switch sides.

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[SPEAKER_16]: That’s never explained except for the fact that I guess the brothers have to be together.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So I have to give it 10 firecrackers.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m sorry, it’s just one of my favorites.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Would you, I prefer higher than I expected to give this movie?

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[SPEAKER_16]: I was very, this is so much fun for me to watch you watch these movies, because I didn’t know how you would react.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I can accept the fact that you’ll never watch it again.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s all if you bucket list.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But I’m glad I watched it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Would you ever watch another Mark’s Brothers movie?

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[SPEAKER_16]: No, you told me this one’s a test.

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[SPEAKER_16]: True.

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[SPEAKER_16]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I guess I ruined it for you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I could send to the second.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let’s, it depends how many years into this podcast we are.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That’s true.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Can we live with one Mark’s brother movie a year?

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[SPEAKER_16]: We don’t have to do another Mark’s brother’s movie, but you can sneak one in there.

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[SPEAKER_16]: But I really do appreciate the fact that you appreciate what we saw and did not hate the movie for 69 minutes, nor draw parallels between this and Karl Marx, which I think is nice too.

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[SPEAKER_16]: One of these days we’re going to get your wife to watch one of these old movies.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_16]: We will.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Okay, um, so that’s a duck soup.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I hope you watched it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I hope you liked it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And uh, if not, check it out.

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[SPEAKER_16]: This is October now.

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[SPEAKER_16]: We made a cover.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It’s a spooky season.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And I hold our next movie in my hand.

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[SPEAKER_16]: As you can see, Hicks, Nick, sticks, picks, episode five, quotation marks, spooky season.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So this is going to give us like four horror movies, I think.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, four weeks.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So let’s see what movie will be watched.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And hopefully you’ll be watching too.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think I, and I hope it’s in color.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I believe my text message to you yesterday said no black and white to back the back.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You have to space them out.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I understood.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And you know, I have the whole committee that chooses this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, it isn’t color.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Paramount Pictures 1968.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Rosemary’s Baby.

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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, another movie that I only know from radio references.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Okay, no, I have to go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I know that Satan’s the father of the baby or something.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, spoiler alert.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I have to ask you as a church going faith-driven guy, do you have problems with Satan movies?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They creep me out a lot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So most of the time I avoid them, but that’s not the homework here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

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[SPEAKER_05]: the exorcist is the one that I have avoided for 40 years.

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[SPEAKER_16]: My mom prohibited me from watching the exorcist in her home.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I might watch it this season.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We’ll see.

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[SPEAKER_16]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_16]: The thing about the exorcist is it’s really a fine movie.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, it’s a horror movie, but horror movies get by.

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[SPEAKER_16]: If they’re, you know, they can be slucky, but if they make you scared, they give you the jump.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And that’s my concern with Rosemary’s baby is because I believe Satan’s real.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, this will do anything to change that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I know, and I know Rosemary’s baby is always on a list of one of the top horror movies ever.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And there’s that, I’m glad this is forced to me to sit down and watch it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I will watch it around noon with all the lights on.

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[SPEAKER_16]: All the lights on, yeah, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And if you want, we can just, you know, keep your cell phone on.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And if you can call, I can, yeah, I can rescue you.

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[SPEAKER_16]: It is a wonderful film with a great backstory.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Did I show it to my daughter when she was 12?

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[SPEAKER_16]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_16]: She loved it.

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[SPEAKER_16]: So it is a fine film, and we’ll be watching Rosemary’s Baby.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I’ll be a whole family in.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not saying to do that.

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[SPEAKER_16]: I’m not

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[SPEAKER_16]: So folks, thank you for joining us today on Hickson X stickspex.

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[SPEAKER_16]: Watch Rose Mary’s Baby, that is your homework.

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[SPEAKER_16]: And we will be back next week with a new episode, Josh, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know welcome go over in the right and review the podcast as well on oh yeah do all the things that subscribe to all that stuff and appreciate it and thank you to the Michael Marishow for being our mothership we will talk to you next week so long everybody picks nicks sticks picks a podcast about robbs movies with robb spewak and Josh Sroka

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